It's a two-horse race

13/01/23

When we interviewed US geographer Jared Diamond for the profile piece appearing in our February issue we also asked him where he thought Western society was heading


(credit: K David Bishop)


Geographical: As well as writing The World Until Yesterday and Guns, Germs and Steel, you are also the author of Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive, so I wanted to ask you if you thought Western society was currently moving closer to, or further away from, collapse?


Diamond: I would describe us as being in a horse race. Usually horses in races set out as fast as possible and keep a steady speed, except for the fact that they might accelerate in the last few hundred yards. But we’re in a horse race with two horses, the horse of destruction and the horse of sanity. And the two horses are going faster and faster and faster. It’s an exponentially accelerating horse race, and what’s not clear yet is whether the horse of destruction or the horse of sanity is going to win the race. All we can say is that both the destruction is going faster and faster, and the forces of sanity are proceeding faster and faster. I can’t predict the outcome. And I won’t be here for it. My sons will see the outcome.

Geographical: And are you preparing in any way for collapse yourself?

Diamond: No. I’m acting on the assumption that the world will survive. I think the chances are 51 per cent that the world will survive and I’m devoting most of my efforts to ensuring that’s the case.

Read the full interview with Jared Diamond in our February issue, available now in WHSmith, via subscription or in our digital edition


Olivia Edward
Staff writer



Comments

Yassari
01:51h / 16.02.2013
Very cool Support 'you must in fact live as a new person'. I am woknrig with this exact point in terms of having tried to change the picture of the idea of 'who I am' .- and realizing that it is in fact the starting-point I am Living from and as, that is the key to changing. And I have to first be Self-Honest about that starting-point and who/what I have Allowed myself to exist as and then Correct and Change so that I Live by the Principle of Equality in Every Moment.
Survival International
13:14h / 15.02.2013
On January 30 2013, Survival released a critique of The World Until Yesterday. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/30/savaging-primitives-why-jared-diamond-s-the-world-until-yesterday-is-completely-wrong.html On February 4 2013 Jared Diamond was interviewed on BBC TV about his new book ‘The World Until Yesterday’. He would not agree to a Survival International representative being there to debate his points. During the interview, he addressed the critique, claiming that Survival’s policies rest on ‘falsehoods’, and that the universal finding is that violence almost always decreases when there’s European contact of ‘traditional’ societies. Please visit http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/8980 to see more of Mr Diamond’s claims, and Survival’s response to them.
Hold on a minute
14:54h / 31.01.2013
Erm... Interesting points Survival, but not sure what they've got to do with the blog post above.
Survival International
18:23h / 29.01.2013
High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/6b3c3014-54e0-11e2-a628-00144feab49a.html#ixzz2JO0fqyZQ The first problem with Diamond’s book is that he uses contemporary tribal peoples (of which, in most cases, he has absolutely no first-hand experience) to tell us (the industrialised West) how we used to live. It’s nonsense – the notion that today’s tribal peoples are in some way a relic of the past has not only been debunked by many scientists, it is also extremely dangerous to the survival of those peoples. The second problem is that he extrapolates wildly from highly questionable data, positing as scientific fact the violent nature of tribal peoples. This he uses to justify his belief that they welcome the imposition of the state. It’s the old rhetoric of colonialism and ‘pacification of the savages’ dressed up as science. Were he to be believed, it risks pushing the advancement of human rights for tribal peoples back decades. Survival International will shortly release a critique of Diamond.

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